Muslim "Interfaith" Meetings

Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | 4/1/2009

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is currently the Director of the Mapping Sharia Project and the Owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing (dgaubatz.blogspot.com). He can be contacted at davegaubatz@gmail.com.

FP: Dave Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview,

Many Islamic Centers and organizations conduct ‘Interfaith’ meetings. There’s some deception going on here, yes?

Gaubatz: Thank you Jamie. Many Islamic scholars have stated, “War is a Deception”. Readers should review the Sunni books of Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. “Khad’ah means deception, i.e, employing a strategy which causes misunderstanding to the enemy, and one’s real intent does not become evident to them. This is permissible in Islam in the state of war”. It is vitally important more so for the often well intended ministers, preachers, bishops, priests, rabbis, and any non- ‘Pure Muslim’ ideologists to know you are considered an enemy of the Islamic Jihadists. Osama Bin Laden is an example of the thousands of scholars who share his ideology. Laden and his supporters are at war with anyone who does not adhere to Sharia law in its entirety and who do not have it in their heart to form an Islamic nation worldwide. Jihadists will use every means available to them to deceive their enemy. While working counter-terrorism/counter-intelligence, or even counter-narcotics, our tactics/strategy to turn someone into an informant/source for us was to go after the weakest link who had the best access. Christian and Jewish leaders are the weakest links for Islamic scholars/leaders. They also have the most access. If they meet with an Imam and fall into their ‘deceptive’ trap, they will in turn convince their worshippers to believe the Islamic ideology is peaceful.

It often troubles me to hear Christian ministers deny the objectives of Islam. Is there no Baptist minister, LDS (Mormon) Bishop, Catholic Priest, or Jewish Rabbi, that would not want every person worldwide turn to their respective ideology and religion? The Christians use missionaries, Muslims use trained ‘Dawah’ (propagation of Islam) members. Would the Pope not want every person worldwide to accept the Catholic belief as the one true religion? Ask him.

FP: Give us the evidence of how Islamic scholars in the U.S. are deceiving non-Muslim religious leaders.

Gaubatz: One of the best examples is the Islamic Center of Washington DC, 2551 Massachussetts Ave, NW, Washington, DC. I have visited this center several times and Jihadist material is distributed in abundance. Abul Maududi, Syed Qutb, and many manuals stamped by the Saudi Govt. that advocate physical Jihad against non Muslims. To this day it amazes me our U.S. Secret Service conduct pre-assessment of locations our Presidents will visit, and inside the very halls our President will walk are manuals advising worshippers to kill leaders of governments who do not follow Sharia law. I have interviewed the mosques library personnel and they have recommended such material. The Islamic Center of DC, CAIR, scholars such as Siraj Wahhaj, and dozens more are nothing more than Saudi paid ‘PR Machines’ and Jihadist recruiters.

During these ‘Interfaith’ meetings even with our U.S. Presidents, the supporters of terrorist groups are wittingly and unwittingly recruiting our own leaders. Does CAIR not have former President Jimmy Carter in their back pocket? CAIR is a formal distributor of his books!

It is vitally important the following quote from the Jamaat Islamic leader (Sayyid Mawdudi) made about the task of forming a country into an Islamic State.

"We should acquire the practice of working slowly and steadily. Even if we are entrusted with a task which seems relatively unimportant, we should set ourselves to its accomplishment without seeking immediate results or looking for praise even though it might take the whole of our life time. In the Jihad in the way of Allah, active combat is not always the rule on the battlefield, nor can everyone fight in the front line. Just for one single battle preparations have often to be made for decades on end and the plans deeply laid, and while only some thousands fight in the front line, there are behind them millions engaged in various tasks which, though small in themselves, contribute directly to the supreme effort. The objective of Islamic Jihad is to put and end to the dominance of the un-Islamic systems of government and replace them with Islamic rule, Islam intends to bring about this revolution not in one country or in a few countries but in the entire world."

Patience is a virtue in Islam unlike any religion. It pertains to social, economical, politics and war (physical Jihad). The preferred method of obtaining an Islamic State is through political change when possible, and physical Jihad is utilized when this process fails. Currently in America, Islamic scholars and organizations are striving to insure America slowly concedes to the demands of Muslims who advocate an Islamic State.

This does not mean there are not Muslims living in the U.S. who do not want to live under an Islamic state; most do not. They are seldom heard and are silenced by the huge Islamic organizations and scholars who say they speak for them.

FP: Why do you think Christian and Jewish leaders are so gullible in all of this? Is it almost that they want to be deceived?

Gaubatz: The first problem is many Christian and Jewish leaders are already leaning toward liberal and socialist values. Many do want to help their worshippers, but don’t understand the ideology of Islamic leaders is a full 180 degrees opposite from their own values. The Islamic leaders use the social issues like healthcare, economics, immigration, and family issue to ‘hook’ the Christian and Jewish leaders. In my opinion many Jewish and Christian leaders are ‘lost’ and are looking for someone to lead them.

FP: So what gives here? Anything we can do to get rid of this material from places it shouldn’t be? Anyway we can actually illegalize it as hate speech? Or are we too far past that now?

Gaubatz: We have laws that cover treason and sedition. The U.S. Constitution was not formed to allow people to hide behind buildings, call them religious institutions, and to distribute foreign hate material being published in Saudi or Pakistan. I have been to over 200 mosques and Saudi govt. stamps are all over the material. The Saudi Embassy in DC is the largest distributor of Islamic Jihadist material in the U.S. Last year I contacted the Embassy and informed them I wanted to understand ‘True Islam’ and how I should conduct my life. The Saudi Embassy immediately sent me a book by convicted terrorist Ali Al Timimi. I began looking for more of his material and found out Ali Al Timimi books are in the vast majority of U.S. libraries. If Timimi is the best example of Islam, we have serious problems.

FP: How can we empower the Muslims who do not want to live under Sharia? Why are “moderate” Muslims so quiet or unheard?

Gaubatz: We must stand up and support any Muslim who openly states they do not want to adhere to any form of Sharia law. These Muslims need a leader to stand up and reform Islam in the U.S. Many Muslims have been saying this for years.

Now the word ‘moderate’ is not a favorite of mine. Are there moderate bank robbers, Taliban, pedophiles, or even moderate Christians. I say no to each. As Islam is currently dictated, a Muslim either follows every aspect of Sharia law, or if he/she decides they only want certain aspects of Sharia, then by all Islamic definitions they are apostates. Likewise with a Christian if they decide to follow only 4 of the Ten Commandments, are they really a Christian? Islam with Sharia = Muslim. Islam without All of Sharia = Apostate.

No such definition of ‘moderate’. Politicians can be political and avoid a simple yes or no question, a Muslim can’t.

FP: Give us some of your overall recommendations regarding how our society and different faiths must approach the “interfaith meetings” set up by Muslim leaders.

Gaubatz: First of all if the Islamic leader admits to any association with CAIR, ISNA, MSA, or MANA, then my suggestion is to avoid any meetings. All of these organizations linked to their Ameer, Siraj Wahhaj. Nothing in American in regards to Islam is done without Wahhaj’s knowledge. This I will prove later when the time is right. They are paid and trained ‘PR’ machines. I would recommend you take your family to a movie and eat popcorn instead. They are simply a waste of time. In addition if they admit to having in their heart the desire for any aspect of Sharia, then avoid the meeting. Otherwise you are being drawn into a ‘Dawah’ meeting. CAIR recruits and trains Dawah workers. They are taught extensively how to answer non Muslims and to bring them into Islam. Ask any Islamic scholar or Imam if they do not believe ‘everyone’ was born a Muslim. They will say yes.

Islamic scholars have told me (on video/audio) all people are born Muslim, but due to the faults of the parents the children leave Islam. Some come back and they are called ‘reverts’. True Muslims will never say convert. If they do, then challenge them. I can go into any Sunni mosque in the U.S. and identify the references in which the scholars inform their worshippers to never become friends with non Muslims. The only exception is the men can marry a non Muslim (Jew or Christian), but only to have her change her religion. A Muslim female is not allowed to marry a non Muslim man.

For a religion that prides itself on no compulsion to change ones religion, they sure spend millions of dollars each year to make a non-Muslim believe he is a sinner if he does not accept Islam.

FP: Dave Gaubatz, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.
Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union and is the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. His new book is United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror. To see his previous symposiums, interviews and articles Click Here. Email him at jglazov@rogers.com.