Doc's Talk: Israel, Abandon The "Peace Talks" Now

Friday, September 13, 2013

Israel, Abandon The "Peace Talks" Now

Nurit Greenger

The UN inaction on Syria must be summed up as apathy, banality and triteness. On the other hand, in the United Nations Israel is looked upon an occupying force and the world is silent to the lie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on8Mp6YK7EM#t=65

How can Israel be an occupying force of its own land?

The Mandate for Palestine of 1922 is still relevant nearly a century later. Unfortunately successive Israeli governments have failed to recognize the supreme importance of the “Mandate for Palestine” of 24 July, 1922. The Mandate, a historical League of Nations, the forerunner to the United Nations, document, laid down the international legal right of the Jews to settle anywhere in western Palestine, the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law till TODAY's date.

The Jewish leadership in Israel and the Diaspora has done practically nothing effective with the Mandate for Palestine, which is the best political weapon they will ever have in defense of Israel's rights. One can even comfortably say that by not using this political weapon correctly they caused Israel great damage.

We simply cannot afford to continue ignoring the valid rights granted to the Jewish people under the Mandate for Palestine. Justice is on the Jewish people's side; we must not let it slip away further as we have been doing thus far: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=268

Based on the above and moment to moment reality check, why is Israel talking with the Arab-Palestinians about peace agreement, and also about parting from some of her land, when the Arabs – in their own words - say they have no intentions to abide by and adhere to an agreement?

There is clear and ample evidence, which the Arabs do not even attempt to hide, that by continuing the talks Israel is digging its grave deeper.

1. The Palestinian Authority is responsible for this declaration: "One day there will be no Israel, Palestine will be Palestine again. Jaffa, Haifa, Tiberias, Acre, and Nazareth are currently occupied Palestine"; in the PA daily crossword: Jaffa is a Palestinian city. August 2103, http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=9558

2. Fatah declares war over Temple Mount: ‘Green Light’ on terror. While Fatah head Abbas talks to Israel, Fatah’s armed wing declares war over Jewish visits to the Temple Mount. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171783#.UjEWh3Ln-M8

3. PA minister: PA agreements are modeled after Muhammad's Hudaybiyyah Peace Treaty. Muhammad signed a 10-year truce at Hudaybiyyah with the tribes of Mecca, but two years later he attacked and conquered them. PA Minister of Religious Affairs Al-Habbash, in the presence of Mahmoud Abbas, compared PA agreements with Israel to Muhammad's pact in Hudaybiyyah that led not to peace but to defeat of the peace partners: "This is the example and this is the model" [of the current peace talks]: July 2013, http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=9401

The Palestinian Authority (PA) is telling us they will not abide by any agreement they will sign, if they will sign; they tell us they are in a mode of war with Israel. So why waste time on if's and perhaps? Haven't Israel done it for 20 years to arrive at being in a much worse predicament? Albert Einstein was brilliant when he said, insanity is repeating doing the same thing and hoping to arrive at a different result.

The question to every Israeli is: are you not tired of lying to yourselves?

Israel, the USA and any country in the West, with even some moral compass, must take the PA at its own words. We do not want peace, we only pretend we do.

At this junction we have to speak in unison, under the banner of saying: the PA is duplicitous; given what the PA constantly say, these are appeasement talks, not genuine peace talks. That is why the talks must end now.

If all of the government of Israel gets to be on one page; if all members of the government coalition issue the same statement, on the same day and repeat it over and over, on every occasion, Israelis would hear it, believe it and repeat it. The eventuality, the US would hear it too, pay attention and accept it.

Right now Israel is everywhere and nowhere. Minister Naftali Bennett made some dumb statement the other day about how Israel won't cede land. Really, should we try her again? Instead he should have said, the PA is telling us, over and over again, in any way possible, that it won't follow thru on an agreement they sign with Israel and so we should end talking. The Arabs want to find the right moment and end the talks and make Israel to look the bad guys and the reason for ending the talks. The talks must end with the PA be seen as the bad guys, not Israel.

Israel has inactive and ineffective national camp; if it was active and effective much of what the government is doing will not be done. I have no idea who can take leadership and lead on this issue. Who in the nationalist camp we can approach and ask to get everyone together to focus like a laser beam, in unison, "all together now", one voice ad nauseam, to say, the PA is telling its own people it will NOT abide by any agreement that it might sign with Israel when the national camp is NOT UNITED!?

The PA been making a mockery and fools of Israel for 20 years! They got very far with their mockery. They have weakened Israel and have taken much of its resistance ability to refute and fight them back. All we see now is an insane appeasement season.

That Netanyahu wants to establish a new Arab-Moslem state in the heart of Israel when the entire Arab world is falling into the hands of barbaric, jihadists Islamo-extremists is beyond my comprehension. That Netanyahu is not able to tell Obama/Kerry, nothing doing, no talking, no negotiations till the Middle East settles down, if ever` till al-Qaeda and the Moslem Brotherhood are not breathing down our neck and are not on our doorsteps in Syria and Sinai, and Hezbollah in Lebanon is dismantled, and till the PA curriculum has been burnt in hell is simply unfathomable.

The PA has been duplicitous since the weasel Arafat signed the Oslo Agreements. It was the beginning of their Hudaybiyyah Peace Treaty. Only that Israel simply refused to hear, see speak then and they continue to do so till today. The Arabs bragged and brag about their ill intent and Israel is shtum.

This month, on the 20^th anniversary of the Oslo Accords, the schpeil of Israelis, pro-Israel and people of good conscience, is to DO and to LISTEN, just as the Israelites did at the foot of Mount Sinai when they accepted G-D, when they accepted, "I am who I am".

Exodus 3

³So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.” ⁴When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!” And Moses said, “Here I am.”

¹³Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” ¹⁴God said to Moses, “I am who I am.^[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

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The IDF’s Minorities in Numbers and Pictures

In honor of IDF Diversity Week, we present diversity through numbers and pictures. Each year, more and more Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin and immigrants from around the world take on the responsibility of defending Israel.

MUSLIMS:

Muslim Arab Israelis are not required to draft in the IDF, but there are many who volunteer. In 2013, there were over 200 Muslims serving in the IDF and over 300 in the reserves.

Bedouins:

Bedouins are nomadic Muslims who were in Israel when modern borders were set in place and are now considered Israeli citizens. They are not required to draft but a growing number choose to enlist. In 2012, there were over 1,400 Bedouin Muslim soldiers doing regular IDF service and almost 1,500 in the reserves.

Read more:http://www.idfblog.com/2014/02/27/truth-idf-numbers-pictures/#more-34027

Are you aware that in 2013, Middle class taxes go up-significantly?

In January of next year, the federal income tax rate for middle-class taxpayers is scheduled to rise from 25 percent to 28 percent, and the payroll tax is scheduled to rise from 13.3 percent to 15.3 percent… This drives the marginal tax rate based on the aforementioned three taxes to 48.12 percent. Add in state and local property, corporate, excise, and other state and local taxes, and the percentage of each additional dollar that is taxed hovers around 50 percent… When half of each additional dollar earned is taxed away, taxpayers experience a disincentive to start businesses or expand existing ones. This leads to fewer jobs being created.

Why is HAMAS Inside Tampa Schools?

Clare Lopez

Kelly Miliziano, who teaches history classes at Steinbrenner High School in the Tampa, Florida area apparently thinks it’s perfectly OK to invite a senior official of a HAMAS-affiliated organization into her classroom to discuss Islam with her students. According to local media reports, not only has this been going on for years, but in spite of the civil and criminal proceedings that could result from such reckless negligence, the Hillsborough County school superintendent, Mary Ellen Elia, and the chairman of the school board, Candy Olson, also expressed approval for students under their responsibility to be exposed repeatedly to guest speaker, Hassan Shibly, who is the Executive Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in the Tampa area.
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Did You Know... Ignoring the Call to Islam will Bring Jihad

‘Conquest through Da’wa [proselytizing] that is what we hope for. We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America! Not through sword but through Da’wa.’
-- Yousef al-Qaradawi , Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader The Arabic word ‘Da’wa’ means the “call to Islam.” But do not think that Da’wa is the same thing as an invitation to an optional holiday event. The classical Islamic doctrine of jihad mandates that enemies must be given the opportunity to convert to Islam or pay the jizya tax before it is permissible to attack them.
Clare M. Lopez

Who is being discriminated-facts tell the truth

Religious bias

Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,409 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-bias offenses showed:

65.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
13.2 percent were anti-Islamic.
9.5 percent were anti-other religion, i.e., those not specified.
4.3 percent were anti-Catholic.
3.8 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
3.3 percent were anti-Protestant.
0.5 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-incidents-and-offenses.

On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview

with PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, a PLO executive, said:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism."

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

The Arab Apartheid

Ben-Dror Yemini
In 1948, the Arab countries refused to accept the UN partition proposal and they launched a war of annihilation against the State of Israel which had barely been established. All precedents in this matter showed that the party that starts the war - and with a declaration of annihilation, yet - pays a price for it. Between 550,000 and 710,000 Arabs fled because of the war and a larger number of 850,000 Jews were expelled or fled from Arab countries (the "Jewish nakba").
Population exchanges and expulsions were the norm at that time, occurring in dozens of other conflict points and affecting about 52 million people. In all the population exchange precedents that occurred during or at the end of an armed conflict, there was no return of refugees to the previous region, which had turned into a new national state.
Only the Arab states acted completely differently from the rest of the world. Instead of assimilating the refugees, they crushed them despite the fact that they were their coreligionists and members of the Arab nation - instituting a regime of apartheid. So the "nakba" was not caused by the actual dispossession, which had also been experienced by tens of millions of others. The "nakba" is the story of the apartheid, oppression, abuse and denial of rights suffered by the Arab refugees at the hands of the Arab countries. (Maariv)

International Law and Military Operations in Practice - Col. Richard Kemp

"Islamist fighting groups study the international laws of armed conflict carefully and they understand it well. They know that a British or Israeli commander and his men are bound by international law and the rules of engagement that flow from it. They then do their utmost to exploit what they view as one of their enemy's main weaknesses. Their very modus operandi is built on the correct assumption that Western armies will normally abide by the rules, while these insurgents employ a deliberate policy of operating consistently outside international law. "

Lost Historical Moments

What Rabin’s last Knesset speech really said:repudiation of a Palestinian state

Rabin ruled out a fully sovereign Palestinian state :

“We view the permanent solution in the framework of State of Israel which will include most of the area of the Land of Israel as it was under the rule of the British Mandate, and alongside it a Palestinian entity which will be a home to most of the Palestinian residents living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority.”

Rabin ruled out a total withdrawal from Judea and Samaria and thus a return to the pre-June 1967 borders :

“The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.”

Rabin ruled out withdrawing form the Jordan Valley:

“The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term.”

Rabin ruled out uprooting settlement blocs, like the Gush Katif bloc in Gaza (which was subsequently uprooted by former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon):

“The establishment of blocs of settlements in Judea and Samaria, like the one in Gush Katif.

AND

Rabin ruled out removing any settlement before coming to a full peace agreement with the Palestinians:

“I want to remind you: we committed ourselves, that is, we came to an agreement, and committed ourselves before the Knesset, not to uproot a single settlement in the framework of the interim agreement, and not to hinder building for natural growth.”

Rabin insisted on Israel retaining full security control of the borders with Egypt and Jordan, contrary to Israel’s relinquishment of the Philadelphia Corridor on the border with Egypt:

“The responsibility for external security along the borders with Egypt and Jordan, as well as control over the airspace above all of the territories and Gaza Strip maritime zone, remains in our hands.”

Correcting Oslo Myths-Part 2

3) Kuttab laments that the post-1993 Oslo process resulted in a Palestinian Authority "whose ministers and legislators are not guaranteed passage between Gaza and the West Bank ...."

Before free passage or other perquisites, PA leaders were obligated, among other things, to eliminate the terrorist infrastructure in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, end anti-Israeli, antisemitic incitement in schools, mosques, and communications media, and resolve all outstanding issues through peaceful negotiations. They met none of these commitments, sometimes bolstering terrorism and greatly increasing incitement.

4) Kuttab complains that under Oslo the PA got "lightly armed police ---- but no real sovereignty over the land or contiguity between our communities in Gaza and the West Bank."

Oslo agreements repeatedly were revised, regardless of Palestinian non-compliance, until the authorized number of police grew from 8,000 to 40,000. Though they were to be the only armed forces in the territories, Israeli estimates early in the second intifada put the number of gunmen - police, "security services," terrorists, and armed gangs - at 85,000. Their armament reportedly included not only heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, but also anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

Sovereignty was to be negotiated in the envisioned 1998 "final status" talks - after a five-year period of confidence-building. Palestinian leadership chronically undermined the process. Palestinian terrorism made the 1993 - 1998 Oslo period more deadly for Israelis than the 15 years preceding it.

The United States doesn't have contiguity between the lower 48 states and Alaska and Hawaii; territorial contiguity between the West Bank and Gaza Strip - that is, through the 20 miles of Israeli territory between them - was never promised and would destroy Israeli contiguity.

5) "Palestinians have been made to endure hundreds of checkpoints in the West Bank, an eight-foot wall deep in our territories, and tight Israeli control over borders."

The security barrier is not "deep in Palestinian territories," but rather encompasses less than 8 percent of Judea and Samaria, and is mostly a fence, rarely a wall; the land in question is not "our [Palestinian] territories" but disputed territory to which, according to the authors of U.N. Security Council Resolution 242, Jews as well as Arabs have claims; and there are no international borders, only the 1949 armistice lines with Jordan. Under 242, borders remain to be negotiated. As for checkpoints - like the security barrier and "tight Israeli control" - Palestinian Arabs precipitated these measures themselves. No terrorism and there would be no fence or tight Israeli control and few checkpoints - like before the first intifada.

Correcting Some Oslo Myths

1) In Oslo "Israeli, Palestinian and other world leaders promised that ... Palestinian sovereignty would be solidified."

No, they didn't. The 1993 Declaration of Principles and subsequent Oslo agreements outlined a process by which final status negotiations about the West Bank and Gaza Strip would be reached. The process required an end to anti-Israel terrorism and incitement and a commitment to peaceful negotiations. The PA, Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and other terrorist groups, sabotaged the process from the start.

2) "The reality is that, in defiance of U.N. Security Council Resolution 242, which states that it is inadmissible to occupy land by force, Palestinian territories are still under foreign military occupation."
Wrong again. Resolution 242 (1967) does note "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." It also affirms the right of every state in the area "to live in peace with secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." There were no "Palestinian territories." Jordan occupied the West Bank, Egypt controlled Gaza. Israel did not have "secure and recognized boundaries," so retention of some of those territories was possible under 242. Israel is not a "foreign" military occupier in the West Bank but, pending final negotiations, the lawful military administrator as a result of a successful war of self-defense.

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